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Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:37 pm PostPost subject:
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I must get more sleep I thought Phil had posted to me. And how on earth could I find his initials.
It seems to be "Curlatron" folks so if you have got a better name get in quick to win the banana.
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Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:04 pm PostPost subject:
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Curlatron sounds like something for the hair...or is it just me? Rolling Eyes
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Sounds like its either on a bender, setting out to bend or at the very worst case, it could just curl up and fade away!!

Dont want that now do we.

Atothermic i think u'll find says it all-

its dynamic,
Its techi
its clever
its hot and cool at same time
it communicates temperature and size
and its got an atom in it, how much cooler can u get!!
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banana please- i'll have the green/slightly yellow one in the corner over there thanks \Trim.
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I like Atothermic but I still prefer Curlatron it seemms a to me a more business type name. Maybe Ambothermic?

This aircraft is powered by Curlatron technology

This aircraft is powered by Atothermic technology

This aircraft is powered by Ambothermic technology
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Hi Phil,

I just completed reading over your MTCCREL document.

There are two areas in which I believe the device will not function as hoped. The first area is the specific curl of the charged particle (electrons in this case). Please see this post for the math behind this matter. You will need to install the Math BHO which you can get information on from this post by Dr. Richardson. The specifics of this curl relationship fall in the area of a specific curve radius which is considered fixed as the mass and charge of an electron are considered fixed. Then we find that time and velocity become unlinked as shown in the equations. Therefore, the time it takes the electron to follow the prescribed radius is independent of the velocity of the electron. So the factors in play then are the mass, charge, time and B field resolving to T = 2πm/qB. This means, from a B relationship, all of the electrons emitted from the emitter will follow the same arc for a given period of time and the variety of curls you anticipate will not occur. Additionally, there is the matter of negative bias. This will not result in a continuous curl, but rather a deflection of the electron path which resumes a sraight line after the deflection. So the dynamics are less than ideal.

The second area is in the electrical charge of the collector. This will quickly become negatively biased and saturate causing the same effect as the biasing plate, where emitted electrons have nowhere to go. The unexpected result will be a cessation of emission from both the emitter and collector while a random cloud of electrons develops in the chamber disrupting the desired paths by their close proximity charges. Recall that the charge falls off at `1/r^2`, and the magnetic force falls off at `1/r^3`, therefore two electrons on intercepting paths will alter each others trajectory with greater influence than the magnetic force present. Of course as a load is placed on the system it will tend to normalize things and get them flowing some, but that large collector will tend to find a balance relative to its outside layers and you will want to put some method in there to encourage a positive (electron depleted) charge.

As a suggestion, you may want to explore a hexogonal shape. You may be able to facilitate 3 emitters and 3 collectors in this way while allowing each to serve as a bias for the other. If the geometry is selected that encourages an emitted electron to engage its nearest neighbor, then that neighboring surface will act as a force to curve the electron to it. If a B field is present, then all of the elecrons will tend to a particular direction and avoid collisions. Also, this geometry is better suited for stacking and strength.

Your approach is very different from mine, but they both use the same technology. In my case I am designing a specific conductor geometry to cause the free electrons to flow in that conductor because of the presence of the field. You are using an emitter-vacuum-collector. So while different mechanisms, the result is the same and the cause is the same. I believe my design will be simpler and faster to market but clearly both have merit.

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This aircraft is powered by Atothermic technology


sounds just right, do u agree.

Could u imagine presenting a paper to learned collegues using the title;-

'The Methord and Production of Free Energy Arising from Portation of
Curlatron Technologies'

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Members of the jury, i give you;-

'The Method and Production of Free Energy Arising from the
Deportation of Atothermic Technologies'


or

'The Method and Production of Free Energy Arising from the
Deportation of Atothermic Evolution



published this year 2036 AD
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chrisbis wrote:
Members of the jury, i give you;-

'The Methord and Production of Free Energy Arising from the
Portation of Atothermic Technologies'


or

'The Methord and Production of Free Energy Arising from the
Portation of Atothermic Ecolution



published this year 2046 AD



What jury? I am the only one you have to bribe. Methord and Portation would never make it on my fish and chip paper. And Ecolution frightens the daylights out of me.

At least Ambotheric, Atothermic and Curlatron don't appear to be trademarked.

Harvey's post seems very interesting I hope Phil has got an answer to it or nobody will get the banana. Crying or Very sad
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Trim,

Edited to be less fryconing!!
(can't spell- typical engineer u c)
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I can't spell either Ambotheric was to be spelt Ambothermic

I still prefer a more sort of solid name like Curlatron, ethereal names like Atothermic and Ambothermic don't quite cut the mustard with me.
Have you read Harvey's post?
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Magnatron, Klystron, Curlatron

Which is the odd one out?
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Eh Curlatron?

I glad you think/know Harvey is wrong but as well as being a very nice gentleman he is also very intelligent and he was kind enough to check over your ideas.
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What do you think of Harvey idea of a hexagonal shape? Bees seem to like it.
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I am sorry you misunderstood my misunderstanding (sort that one out Rolling Eyes )

Harvey and another old engineer/scientist called Frank Grimer have some very interesting and unusual ideas.
Which sometimes disagree with bog standard scientific theories these posters are the type which make Steorn and this forum so interesting.
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@Harvey,

Thanks for your comments. Seems in the heat of the moment of responding to Trims intervening comment you became invisible.

That was rude of me. I should have answered you first and Trim later.

Sorry about that

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@Harvey, if you want me to debate or closely consider your idea then perhpas you could start a topic on fizzx and we can then post without confusion.

It seems that one topic at a time is best otherwise the physics relating to one becomes mixed with the other theory and device.

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I mostly agree with you but I also like sci/fi so I delight in ideas like
Shawyers "Em Drive" and even some 'wacky' ideas a guy called
Hardcastle has. Wink
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So you know more than me about trademarks and business plans.
Another one of my silly ideas, for lets temporary call it the Curlatron is for
high speed air travel where the leading edges and air intakes of aircraft can
get very hot, is to use that heat to generate electricity even in very cold air
at high altitude. Unfortunately my maths is not good enough to work out if
this energy will be enough to keep the plane going or if additional fuel would
be needed.
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Maybe that's better than his vacuum cleaner but it seems to me a few orders of
magnitude below his hand dryer. Maybe he will want to buy the rights from you with
say Branson to build the next super sonic airliner.
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Oh, Now I understand why you and Sean were so impressed with the hand dryer.

I thought it was a blower.

Then you guys dream of a full body version!

I think you guys are on the wrong site.

Something with xx's instead of zz's
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In theory its a air blower but reality it solidifies air then it takes your skin off
and puts it on back to front. I have heard that men wanting a sex change use
them for a very quick result. Good night its 3am in Blighty.
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