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Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:23 pm PostPost subject: Mylow Motor - A different claim of working PMM
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http://www.youtube.com/forgot?next=/watch?v=2kl3XiiqBj0

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Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:12 am PostPost subject:
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shit - I saw that stonehenge magnet motor years ago, thats what got me on this road in the first place!!! Did anyone cache that or download it cos its been removed....!
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found the punters own YT page, dont see that one working cos it sits still quite happily when its not "running", its obviously not the one i saw (the original HJ stonehenge motor) - and note their so called "lab" looks like a girls bedroom.....lol
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:02 am PostPost subject: Re: Lastes claim of working PMM
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http://www.youtube.com/forgot?next=/watch?v=2kl3XiiqBj0


It's been removed?
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shit - I saw that stonehenge magnet motor years ago, thats what got me on this road in the first place!!! Did anyone cache that or download it cos its been removed....!


It is in my cache Wink
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How does one save a YT video? The builder says he found out the HJ patent
had expired and has now procured a lawyer. Any patent attorney will tell
him to shut the f___ up and remove all information.
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:19 pm PostPost subject:
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http://www.youtube.com/user/MYLOW121363
CC I use Firefox and there is a extension downloader available for it.
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:24 pm PostPost subject:
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LOL, another case of unknown magnets from a surplus store. Wink

As we all know, this makes replication difficult, if not impossible.
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Here's some more here I found in sizes up to 1.5 " tall.

http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm

Can't seem to tell if he's using alternating polarity or not.
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:50 pm PostPost subject:
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He claimed all rotor magnets were North facing inside. That seems to indicate that it's not a traditional horseshoe magnet. The N pole(s) are on the arms and the S pole is the flat backside.

s [ n

Unusual magnetization, to say the least.

The stator magnet appears to be a more traditional horseshoe.
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I really doubt thats the case, the HJ motor was like this at least according to this report:
http://keelynet.com/ohsako/ohsako.htm

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Hi CC, thats the chappy mate! I was amazed to see HJ demonstrating the rotation of the table - using a hand held magnet which we all know works now - but when left alone it stops like the other designs like this.

HJ's patent is moot anyway since the motor did not work unattended, i.e. you needed to hold the magnet so the tiny wiggles of your muscles or any movement triggers rotation.

The patent comment is hilarious, especially broadcast on YT and regarding such a simple device Cool
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I really doubt thats the case, the HJ motor was like this at least according to this report:
http://keelynet.com/ohsako/ohsako.htm


Looks like it is the case. Shocked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOQQ9lN9Uhc
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I don't know, OC. Those filing lines don't match the labels he's put down. If the poles were different the lines would join the poles (like a horshoe magnet). I think he his stator poles are at the corners and those corners are like polarity with the heel being the other pole. The rotor 'C' magnets as he calls them (and this is based on his filing drawing) are a unique quadrature magnet with a separate bonding pole. This arrangement can be created using 3 rectangular magnets that are all magentized through their thickness rather lengthwise. For each of the Ends, the S points inward toward the other with the N on the outside edges. But for the back of the C, the S points outward and the N points inward. Because of the interesting configuration, the equator becomes offset in the center of the material (endpoints of the C) and causes a predominate N over most of that surface. Also, along the outside of each leg of the C the north joins a north on the back and this creates a predominate N along those surfaces also, leaving only half (or less) of the back thickness S. So the four outside corners represent N (mostly) and the four inside corners represent S. The equalization occurs where the back is all S. Very interesting magnet. It should be noted also, that the equators may not be straight and could be curved giving even more unipolar surface.

I still can't help but think his device will fail inside a copper faraday cage. Sad
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I really doubt thats the case, the HJ motor was like this at least according to this report:
http://keelynet.com/ohsako/ohsako.htm



If you look carefully at HJ's layout, I think you will see that he made a circle and then separated that into quadrants and gapped them. This makes a more rectangular pattern with curved (large radius) corners.

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Harvey wrote:
The rotor 'C' magnets as he calls them (and this is based on his filing drawing) are a unique quadrature magnet with a separate bonding pole. This arrangement can be created using 3 rectangular magnets that are all magentized through their thickness rather lengthwise.


Yeah, I just reviewed the video I linked above, saw the eltimple comment. I agree with Craigy, something weird about them 'C' magnets, not quite what the guy says they are.
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re post of an older video shows it will not lock on the pass as most will do.

As for what the magnets are, I doubt his drawings are correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtNV7YBQfc
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Stickin to my story dammit. At the end of the vid when he lets the two C magnets come together it is consistent with the earlier drawing I posted which appears to be just a normal channel magnet. I think MyLow screwed up the drawing.

He already corrected a mistake on the stator magnet originally stating it was
graphite based then changed it to ferrite. But it does appear that the C
magnets do not alternate.
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Something is not right with this guy. In one vid 5 days ago, he has the rotor mags in sets of 7. Then here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo&feature=channel_page
one day ago he has them down to 6 sets except for one set has 7.
We will see if he trips up. Wink
Dunno, for me its too much too little and some inconsistancy. Time will tell.

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Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:13 pm PostPost subject:
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/7

This is what Sterling got out of him.

"March 19, 2009, midnight

Mylow has been tackling the attempt to duplicate the Howard Johnson design since it was first featured in Popular Mechanics nearly 30 years ago.

After years of trial and error, pouring over everything he could find on the subject, he said that he noticed that there were differences between the Howard Johnson patents and the photos that exist of the actual devices. He decided to go with the photos rather than the patents.

It was just about a month ago that he was in the Science and Surplus store in Chicago that he stumbled into a box of C/U - shaped alnico magnets, noticed that they resembled Howard Johnson's magnets, and purchased them for around $25.

I asked him if he is sure that the rotor and stator magnets he is using are alnico magnets. He said he is 100% sure, because that is what was on the purchase receipt. He thought they looked like they may have come from an older hard drive design, or possibly they were used in old 8-track players to erase the tape.

These rotor magnets are polarization with N on the two tip ends and S being on the back side.
They are quite small: just 1" inch tall, 1/4" wide, and 1/4" thick. The protrusions at the top and bottom of the C (or top left and right of the U) are 1/8" in length. They have a shine to them similar to a neodymium magnet.

Not realizing this was a synchronicity, he assumed one could find these anywhere. That's why he made a comment to that effect in one of the earlier videos.

The stator magnet, also alnico (is stamped "G5") is one he's had kicking around for quite some time. Referring to the up-side-down U orientation of the magnet, the magnet is 1" long from the bottom far left to the bottom far right. The bottom left and bottom right legs of the up-side-down U are 1/4" wide each. The magnet is 13/16" deep. The dimension from the bottom to the very top of the arc of the up-side-down U is 5/8" high. The dimension from the bottom of the up-side-down U to the bottom of the arc is 3/8" high.

In giving these dimensions that Mylow was reading off the tape measure as we were on the phone, I should mention that he has a bit of a struggle with the tape measure as to what is 1/8 and what is 1/16. I was able to establish that his tape measure is broken into 1/16 increments as the smallest marking. He would then tell me the dimensions in terms of "1/2 plus two of those little marks". Please don't get on Mylow's case for having a challenge with this thing that is so easy to most of us. Remember that some people who appear to be challenged in easy things, are usually compensated by superior talent in other areas, such as intuition or following hunches. For those of you working up schematics from these numbers, it would be good to refer to the still shots of the videos Mylow has provided in order to get proper proportions.

Mylow said that there is a shop near him that he takes his stator magnet to re-magnetize it. He said they have a big electromagnet, and the process includes quenching the magnet in a hydrogen bath for five minutes. After it is recharged, the magnet works best for about two to three hours, after which it begins growing weak. As we were timing the rotation speed over the phone, he remarked that the speed was quite a bit slower now than it was last night. (He said it has been running for about 28 hours continuous). He had stopped it so we could take some measurements. When he got it spinning again, it was rotating at around 30 rpm in the first fifteen seconds. After about five minutes, it was spinning at 77 rpm (36 rev in 28 seconds).

Getting the things going is a bit of a science as well, which he addresses in several of his videos. He calls it a "sweet spot" where the pull begins overcoming the gate. While we were talking, he noticed that the motor tended to want to self-start in the region of the set of 4 magnets.

The aluminum rotor and high-precision bearing apparatus Mylow has been using is something his brother machined for him years ago. He's applied many different combinations of magnets on that rotor, scraping them off with a razor. That's why he uses crazy glue, and not something more permanent.

You will notice in earlier videos (from about a month ago), Mylow's prototype had sets of 7 of these rotor magnets placed around the perimeter of the rotor. When he went back to the Science and Surplus store, he was chagrinned to learn that they had no more of them, and that the manufacturer no longer makes them.

In a "what happens if I do this?" approach, he removed the middle of the seven magnets, leaving 3&3, followed by a large space before the next set of 3&3. He was then able to fill in the last set of 3&3, with one exception. One of the nine sets of 3&3 actually has four magnets. The non-symmetry seems to be a key to the operation of the motor. You can see that 4&3 set quite clearly in the upper left portion of the wheel in the YouTube preview of Mylow's March 17 video showing his motor in motion (see http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Spins_When_Horseshoe_Magnet_Gets_Close_Enough )

It turns out that this is the arrangement that works. It doesn't work if he doesn't put that fourth magnet in on that one set. If it just has 3&3, the motor vibrates quite vigorously and stops spinning. He said there is still a little wobble with the 4th magnet, but at least it works.

Mylow thinks that the key is the spacing of the large gap between each 3&3 set.

Within the 7-set of rotor magnets (with middle one removed), each rotor magnet is separated by 1/4 inch (slightly less). The large space between sets is three inches. He said this spacing is "very critical".

The aluminum wheel part of the rotor is 17-1/8 inches in diameter and has a thickness of 1/8 inches (within 1/16 inch accuracy). Mylow thinks the weight of the aluminum wheel provides a flywheel effect that helps the system work (possibly helping the magnets past of gate, to then be pushed through the next set hard enough to make it through that gate again [my conjecture]).

Regarding the aluminum bar that suspends the single stator magnet, Mylow said he tried putting two stator magnets in, for one on each side, but it didn't work. ([Sterling's note:] It may be that additional stator magnets could be added in, but that they would probably not work in symmetrical locations.) Mylow did try turning the stator magnet up-side-down. When he did, the rotor spun in the opposite direction.

The stator-suspending bar is 20-1/4 inches long, 1-5/8 inches wide, and slight less than 3/16" thick. The wooden supports on each end of the aluminum bar is fastened with aluminum screws. Mylow said he had tried stainless steel screws, but they effected the movement of the rotor, making it jiggle.

The bearings have regular steel balls with chrome.

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I suspect it would not be an easy replication if it works.

The one video with like 7 magnets shows no locking point on the pass through.

This is going to be a sheer luck game if it is real.
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MyLow's gates strike me as working just like HJ's high power linear gates (just smaller in reaction force) as demonstrated in the Bearden EFTV HJ DVD. No back attraction or slow down after going thru the gate. HJ's whole theory for this was the QMME spike effect which is a quantum mechanical triggering of a completely different magnetic reaction than the normal B fields which are conservative.

The quantum spike is non conservative and is an instantaneous release of energy that HJ claimed was as much as 200 times the normal B field reaction. HJ called it the Magnetic Bullet. There's a picture of this reaction on pg 41 of his book Secret World of Magnets. Everything he did tried to utilize this
quantum spike effect. There's no way consecutive gates in any normal configuration can work this way. The conservative composite field will kill you. (Just ask Emmy)
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Regarding Mylow's C magnets. It may be that the back is nothing more than soft iron with two cubes melded as poles. This means that these could be mimicked by using two 1/4" neo cubes and a 1" length of 1/4" mild steel square bar stock.

Regarding the U shaped magnet; turning it over results in a polarity shift. This tells me that the poles are different polarity and that this is a typical horseshoe magnet. However, it loses its domain structure easily which means that it has flexible domains. Testing the polarity using another magnet could give a false reading. I have posted to Mylow that keepers may be necessary. Interestingly, he has remagnetized that U shaped magnet. I would think that they would have told him the orientation of the field(s). Whatever the case, the reversal of direction tells the story.

Regarding teh QMME spike: Do you think HJ experienced a condition where shearing was prevented and the cumulative stress was released all at once when they all sheared? It is an interesting thing to ponder. When a field normalizes from a stressed position it will implode slightly and resonate until it finds its normal position - contracting and expanding (compressing and decompressing) and like that water bubble experiment in space, the shape will be irregular during the process. It is logical to conclude that a series of these collapses could resonate additively (if the spacing was just right) resulting in a large wave at the end.

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Harvey wrote:

Regarding teh QMME spike: Do you think HJ experienced a condition where shearing was prevented and the cumulative stress was released all at once when they all sheared? It is an interesting thing to ponder. When a field normalizes from a stressed position it will implode slightly and resonate until it finds its normal position - contracting and expanding (compressing and decompressing) and like that water bubble experiment in space, the shape will be irregular during the process. It is logical to conclude that a series of these collapses could resonate additively (if the spacing was just right) resulting in a large wave at the end.


You are the man Harv - I really think you're onto something. Please expand on that idea. Must be something like that or else why need groups with spaces? Seems to work with different numbers of elements in the sets as well to get a bigger bang perhaps? Also, HJ's banana shaped stators seemed very pointed at the ends, obviously to concentrate the fields very locally to trigger the effect. Would this integrate with your theory? If MyLows device is achieving HJ's quantum spiking, could this soon destroy the stator magnet domains as seems to be occuring?

Also, MyLow said the one set with 3 and 4 was necessary. That makes no sense to me.
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Harvey wrote:

Regarding teh QMME spike: Do you think HJ experienced a condition where shearing was prevented and the cumulative stress was released all at once when they all sheared? It is an interesting thing to ponder. When a field normalizes from a stressed position it will implode slightly and resonate until it finds its normal position - contracting and expanding (compressing and decompressing) and like that water bubble experiment in space, the shape will be irregular during the process. It is logical to conclude that a series of these collapses could resonate additively (if the spacing was just right) resulting in a large wave at the end

Harvey, do ya think the aluminum plate would put a damper on that resonance?

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I found this Tom Bearden Analysis of the HJ gate. Wow, he really got into that. The chart on pages 9 through 11 show 3 places where the force vectors drop completely to zero and this is the case with the final exit. Of course between 34 and 47 inches the forces are negative, but the overall total is a 15Lb force ending with zero pullback.

In order to expand on the resonant flux theory we would first have to prove it exists and second have to determine its frequency (which I believe to be function of space-time and atomic vibration within the magnet). If I am correct as to the cause of the atomic vibrations then the matter could be calculated relatively easily by factoring planck's constant into the calculation along with the nucleus mass and charge. The crystal spacing between nuclei is also important. The electrons are only important to the extent that the affect the nucleus charges and thereby alter the vibration - however I believe these to sympathetic and thereby congruent to the frequency. My theory will not be readily accepted because it aborts the current string theory even though they both have very close simularities. One of the major differences is that my theory (as I currently see it) does not require dimensional spread to exist. Also, I feel my theory would be easier to prove (or disprove if you prefer) because it works with known particle sizes and does not require analysis at the microcosmic scale that current string theory requires. Both theories postulate that all energy and matter share a single entity through which they both pass when they convert from one to the other. String theory calls this entity 'strings', from which everything is made. My theory doesn't need a name for this entity because it is only a transitory attribute of what energy and matter really are.

The first step in visualizing these things is to view space-time as an elastic rather than just as a void. This borders on the Aether theory, but it must be this way. If space was only a void, then it should be nonreactive. And since we think that curvature of space is what bends light around gravitational bodies, we must conclude that space is more than just a void. By extending this, we can add attributes to space. Once such attribute is that energy and space coexist in the same position and time. Another way of saying this, is to state that energy does not displace space. This will be problematic if you use calculations that equate energy and matter, because matter does displace space. When a transistion occurs between energy and matter (or vice versa) there is a time valued process and we must dimensionalize space and time seperately rather than jointly in space-time. It is my theory that all matter makes this transition at undetectably fast speeds, from energy to matter and back. It is a resonant action between the energy and space itself. When energy becomes matter, space is displaced and the elastic property of space puts a pressure on the matter. When it is energy, the displacement subsides and space equalizes. This transition is independant of relative motion and is only relative to time. Another property of space is that it does not conduct thermal energy. I distinquish thermal energy from that energy that matter is made of. The properties of thermal energy are not fully studied. Suppose you have 1 cubic meter of thermal energy in space, no other energy or matter in the vicinity. There is no displacement, so you have 1 cubic meter of space and 1 cubic meter of thermal energy. Since there is no displacement, and since this energy has a cohesive property, the energy pools into a sphere with a cubic meter volume. There is no property to cause this energy to move other than cohesion. Now lets say a satellite moves through this pool. The satellite will absorb this energy and it will register as an increase in temperature. How? By interacting with the material energy that makes up the atoms in the craft. During their transition period into the energy state, a mixture occurs that upsets the resonant balance and these particles must deal with the excess of energy. Depending on the matter state, many different events can happen. One of the most common is that extra energy is converted to infrared photons and these electromagnetic packets propagate away. But it could be blue light or any EM frequency depending on the mateial properties. So, space does not conduct heat, but matter does.

Knowing the properties of space helps to understand the elastic motion of magnetic fields. The currently accepted premise is that electric and magnetic fields are the same thing viewed from different reference frames. Since an electric field is the result of a charged particle, and particles displace space, then it is reasonable to conclude that both electric and magnetic fields will have time dependant interactions with space. And it is these interactions that we see as the stretching and snapping and resonating of magnetic fields. So...how do we find the electric field associated with the magnetic field of a PM? What reference frame must we switch to? And how does the curvature of space created by each atom in that PM play a part?

Shocked Why did you let me ramble on like this? Lets find an elastic modeler, plug in some arbitrary values and see if we can get a resonant action that peaks at the end like that. One think I should add; Because of CoE, the gain at the end of HJ's track must have traded that energy for something else. My guess is that it cooled down. We sit in a thermal pool of 300K energy. So even if his gate did produce, it is doing it at the expense of that pool. How fast that transistion occurs is another question altogether; it may happens so fast that we don't get a chance to measure it. IOW, the magnet cools on exit and two microseconds later it stablizes back to room temp.

I'm getting behind on my 2do list Sad

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeijLKkuj_c
measurements of magnets with ruler.
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I think you are definitely onto the solution Harvey since resonance (entropy spring) is the essential component behind the workings of the RBGM (Rubber Band Gravity Motor)

This morning I put an explanation of how the RBGM works on the Steorn Forum.
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Ah well. Back to work. :bigsmile:

I now understand what kind of motor the RBGM (Rubber Band Gravity Motor) is. Alsetalokin should be pleased cos he built a rather splendid example of the genre.

The RBGM is a Stirling engine driven by gravity. Visualise the rim enclosed by two plates with and you can see that there is a constant volume. The down stream side is the cold side below ambient temperature where the rubber bands are a their maximum length. The upstream side is the hot side above ambient temperature where the bands are at their minimum length. This temperature difference arises from the entropy bounce of the elastic and will remain constant while adiabatic conditions are maintained by insulating the bands. Heat input is only needed to compensate for losses.

The central hub is the rotary action displacer. I found this the most difficult point to grasp since relative to an outside observer the central hub is stationary. However if you imagine yourself situated on the rim looking through the hole where the inner tube valve goes through then you will see that relative to you the hub is whirling.

From the above description you should be able to see that it must be gravity acting on the differential between the lever-arm of the slightly less than a semi-circle section of the rim ascending to the vertical-through-the-axle and the lever-arm of the slightly more than a semi-circle section of the rim descending to the vertical-through-the-axle that is the driving force of the motor.

Under no load the motor will run at constant speed governed by the resonant frequency of the ensemble.

If the axle is fixed to the hub it acts as a power-take-off shaft. As with a synchronous electric motor taking power from the engine will slow its speed of rotation.
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Reading through this thread I would guess that the Henge magnets provide the analogy of the gravitation driving force and the horseshoe stator is the entropy spring.

As Harvey points out above. The horseshoe stator "loses its domain structure easily which means that it has flexible domains" which is another way of saying entropy spring.

In other words the horseshoe magnet is the equivalent of the rubber bands in the RGBM
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Frank wrote:

... The central hub is the rotary action displacer. I found this the most difficult point to grasp since relative to an outside observer the central hub is stationary. However if you imagine yourself situated on the rim looking through the hole where the inner tube valve goes through then you will see that relative to you the hub is whirling. ...


Actually, from that reference, the hub would appear to be moving toward and away but there would be very little (if any) left or right motion.

BTW, have you considered spokes made of Terfenol-D?

Frank wrote:

... Reading through this thread I would guess that the Henge magnets provide the analogy of the gravitation driving force and the horseshoe stator is the entropy spring. ...


This does raise an interesting question. Suppose then, that the aluminum plate allowed sufficient play so that the side under the stator would lift and the side opposite would drop, pivoting on the axle as a fulcrum. Would this alter the gravitational interaction? It is difficult to imagine an asymmetry within the gravitational componet even if lifting were occuring. In my theory both fields are different manifestations of the same thing, curved space. The cause of that curvature, however, is different for each. In the case of gravity, it is caused by the material displacement of space which is a function of how long (in time) the energy is in a material form. The longer the matter dwells in that state, the more gravity it has. This creates issues for physics because now they must deal with the increase of instantaneous peak mass for all atoms where before it was considered constant, and lower than reality. We see gravity as the average of all spatial displacements as energy becomes matter, which happens at extremely fast rates. What we don't know, is when displacement begins during the cycle. But we could ascertain this by the magnitude of the force at the particle level. Particles that are bonded by the strong nuclear force have very large dwell times in the displacement period and are generally considered to be larger and heavier than those particles that have lower dwell times. Spatial displacement curves space and produces gravity around every particle, and this curvature will meld around conjoined particles so is additive.

Magnetism on the other hand, is the spatial curvature caused by wave action. In this case, the vibratory action of the atomic nuclei, produces local ripples around each atom. The vibration is caused by the materialization and dematerialization of the nucleous particles. When these ripples become aligned and added, their standing waves create rings (or tubes actually) that provide paths for electrons to follow. When these tubes exist in areas where no electrons are moving (farther out from the nucleus) they can join making long pathways through the material. Free electrons follow those pathways in conductors. In a magnet however, these pathways extend outside of the material and are known as 'Lines of Force' in Farday's and Maxwell's work. But, in reality, all they are is curves in space. Because these curves are the result of vibratory action, they are time dependant and do in fact have a direction of creation. Also, harmonic ripples propagate directionally along these 'tubes' giving the magnet polarity. As you might imagine, the nature and structure of this curvature can be altered when other sources are brought nearby so that the extended surrounding area (the field), occupies the same space. So, depending on the type of material, whether diamagnetic to ferromagnetic (all of which is a function of how the atoms interact with space within the material), external magnetic fields can influence the behaviour. Magnetic Resonance Imaging is dependant on that fact.

So, you can see why I say that they (gravity and magentism) are both the same thing, curved space. But you can also see why they have different attributes. Your next thought process may be along the lines of propagating information along the gravitational curvature of space. If spatial ripples define magnets, and those ripples are in continuous motion giving polarity; could this principle be applied to gravity so we can modulate it and send out information along its field? I say yes.

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Harvey wrote:

.....If spatial ripples define magnets, and those ripples are in continuous motion giving polarity; could this principle be applied to gravity so we can modulate it and send out information along its field? I say yes. Cool


Very good. Smile

And if Van Flandern is right, as I believe, in his contention that the speed of gravity is vastly greater than the speed of light then we have a plausible means of communicating with other worlds.

For all we know there is a communications network of which we as as ignorant as a bushman is of the world wide telephone network. That's if there are any bushmen left who haven't already got their own mobile. Shocked

Thanks for your comments by the way, Very interesting.

And no, I haven't yet got round to thinking of Terfenol-D. Actually I would have thought Nitinol more closely resembled the elastic bands since is displays pseudo elasticity and has the same stress-strain characteristic as rubber. to wit, one were the modulus increases with strain rather than decreasing as in the case of materials such as steel and concrete.

But on the other hand magnetism is more likely to interact with gravity than heat since it is the next hierarchy up - lets say the delta-atmosphere, Wink
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