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Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:40 pm PostPost subject:
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Axle,

Hi Axle.

Q. do u have videos, drawings of ur whipmag rig(s) to view?
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Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:39 pm PostPost subject:
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Axle,

Hi Axle.

Q. do u have videos, drawings of ur whipmag rig(s) to view?


< http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/AxleOCAL/ >

and

< http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/ >

All sorts of 'stuff' in there.

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Yep, I put the ball in his court a while back. Fresh out of ideas and no funds or tools to take it beyond what we have already done. I have however decided to get a better grasp of calculus so I can apply some of my perspectives to math and see how that works back.

@chrisbis, that is a modified stator housing. It is split so that the magnet part can twist separate from the bearing part while tensioning a spring. The grating allows one of three possibles to be optically viewed. Red, Green or White. Depending on whether the rotor is driving the stator or vice versa (or neither) the predominate color will emerge. All one needs to do is look at it during AGW accleration and see if the system is being powerred externally or not.

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Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:53 pm PostPost subject:
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Axle,

Hi Axle.

Q. do u have videos, drawings of ur whipmag rig(s) to view?


< http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/AxleOCAL/ >

and

< http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/ >

All sorts of 'stuff' in there.

Axle

Exclusive vid's Woowwww
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You are so good and perfect examiner.
Thanks! Thanks! Thanks!
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Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:31 am PostPost subject:
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Hi All..Yes I'm still 'lurking around'. I saw OC post this on the Steorn forum..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4A1UUIBDv0&feature=related

[Thanks OC!!]

It looks like a fun project...so have ordered electronic parts from Allied Electronics..
http://www.alliedelec.com/
And sphere magnets from K&J Magnetics...
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/

Will probably 'start' by doing some initial testing with the 'magnet reed switch' and the rotating 'sphere magnet'. I've never really 'wound' a proper coil before..so am researching that 'area' for now. Just playing around with it all. Will post anything interesting.

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Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:48 am PostPost subject:
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Hi All..Yes I'm still 'lurking around'. I saw OC post this on the Steorn forum..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4A1UUIBDv0&feature=related

[Thanks OC!!]

It looks like a fun project...so have ordered electronic parts from Allied Electronics..
http://www.alliedelec.com/
And sphere magnets from K&J Magnetics...
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/

Will probably 'start' by doing some initial testing with the 'magnet reed switch' and the rotating 'sphere magnet'. I've never really 'wound' a proper coil before..so am researching that 'area' for now. Just playing around with it all. Will post anything interesting.

Axle


Actually, I think Harvey posted that. I just commented about it.

Nice to have you back. I thought maybe you had given up on all this.

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Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:16 am PostPost subject:
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Axle wrote:
Hi All..Yes I'm still 'lurking around'. I saw OC post this on the Steorn forum..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4A1UUIBDv0&feature=related

[Thanks OC!!]

It looks like a fun project...so have ordered electronic parts from Allied Electronics..
http://www.alliedelec.com/
And sphere magnets from K&J Magnetics...
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/

Will probably 'start' by doing some initial testing with the 'magnet reed switch' and the rotating 'sphere magnet'. I've never really 'wound' a proper coil before..so am researching that 'area' for now. Just playing around with it all. Will post anything interesting.

Axle

Congratulation Axle!
and thanks Cool
and cheers Cool

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P.S. to day,s morning I finded this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq67pNwLKdQ&feature=related
and this:
http://www.youtube.com/user/theENERGYDREAM#play/uploads/3/1w49p5zo2I4
the last two links may be some as a Sabous,Ashileas ligeras and Milowe device's replicated from one of the friends and explorers here

This is not so clear but is very similar as the Your example Axle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPCObs6mmyc&feature=related

And this: the experimentator may be:
a) find an earth magnetic pole
b) turn on the device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsb3xswaeIo&feature=channel_page

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
P.S. P.S. to day in 21.31 (09.31 p.m. (Bg)) I saw which wideo was remowed by user Sad(( but I again very thanks to You Axle!!!
Greath works!
My beliewe in magnetic properties was returned with big power:))))
Thanks Axle
And I wil replied an OC words:"Nice to have you back. I thought maybe you had given up on all this. "
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& @Harwey , by yesterday when I can did not to sugest a real devise with al needed explane for using a magets for energy my old knowns in Bg phisic forum told me" This is imposible You are put the power for the wid et.c
To day when I post the links from Axle, they told me:" You must stop Your explorers by earth magnetism because it will be started a World atom warr when You and Your friends shange the earth magnetic pole or eating it..."
This sentence very imprompted me .and I now will ask You @Harwey
What do You thik abot this caind of thinking Is some simmilar possible?
Am I absoluthe crazie?


P.S.P.S.P.S. @Harwey please excuse me about my long time unbeliewing in Your sugestion M.A.P. - about posiblities to use a magnetism for a accepting an energy and to be independence from Oil and Atom companies for energy gain!
I realy thinked which the M.A.P. is some similar to Ohsacu and Bedini sugestions and by this moment I can not understand al about it's principles.
O.K. I will use a some tyme to realise it - M.A.P. and then will talking again.
Thanks at any answers @Harwey I hope You will be undestand me and mine feelings .
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:38 am PostPost subject:
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Interesting !!

ZEROPOINT132, has remove this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4A1UUIBDv0&feature=related
..and another. His latest contains this 'message'.

"I have been told, not asked in no uncertain terms to remove all my video's containing the circuits to this device with immediate effect, and not to
divulge any further information privately or otherwise. My protests have been
dismissed. I do apologise for any inconvenience."


http://www.youtube.com/user/ZEROPOINT132

Yesterday, while the videos were 'still up', I did two 'captures' of the diagrams.
Have posted them here..
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL01.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL02.jpg
PLEASE, WHOEVER IS INTERESTED, MAKE COPIES OF THESE JPG IMAGES!! THANK YOU!!

I don't know what to make of all this. But at least it's getting interesting!!

Axle

[BTW, Thanks Harvey!!]
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:47 am PostPost subject:
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Axle wrote:
Interesting !!

ZEROPOINT132, has remove this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4A1UUIBDv0&feature=related
..and another. His latest contains this 'message'.

"I have been told, not asked in no uncertain terms to remove all my video's containing the circuits to this device with immediate effect, and not to
divulge any further information privately or otherwise. My protests have been
dismissed. I do apologise for any inconvenience."


http://www.youtube.com/user/ZEROPOINT132

Yesterday, while the videos were 'still up', I did two 'captures' of the diagrams.
Have posted them here..
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL01.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL02.jpg
PLEASE, WHOEVER IS INTERESTED, MAKE COPIES OF THESE JPG IMAGES!! THANK YOU!!

I don't know what to make of all this. But at least it's getting interesting!!

Axle

[BTW, Thanks Harvey!!]


Yes @ Axle
I agree! these are unical phiscal experiments.
Greath works Wow And I thanks to You @Harwey , Sir! O.C. , Sir!
Cheers gentlemans Cool
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:05 am PostPost subject:
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Ok, that is weird.

I probably have the full videos in my cache somewhere if anyone needs them.

I hope about 5,000 people build this thing and flood the internet with it just to piss off the guys that pushed him to close it down.

He emailed me before the suppression and told me that the charging circuit was not powering the coil, but it was configured in the normal charging configuration.

Who knows, perhaps he was using Alsetalokins 'magic' rotor driver.

BTW, Tinsel Koala tells me I was wrong in my Analysis of the WhiPMag and that Babcat knows something about that. I didn't feel like chasing that one down, but if any of you wish to - there you go.

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I had a rather weird post coming from a BesslerWheel.com guest. Here's a subsequent post I put on the Community Buzz closed forum,



Posted: 16th August 2009, 7:31 pm Post subject: Does one often get this kind of post?

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I had just put up a post on my blog (The Vesica Cycle) when within a few hours I got this extraordinary reply.

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Zero Posted: 16th August 2009, 6:44 pm Post subject:
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That's my magnet motor idea please leave alone

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I've bought my query here since being a guest he shouldn't' have access.

Long term members will have more experience than me if this kind of
post is normal.


He signed himself Zero. I wonder if he's the same person.
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Ok, that is weird.

I probably have the full videos in my cache somewhere if anyone needs them.

I hope about 5,000 people build this thing and flood the internet with it just to piss off the guys that pushed him to close it down.

He emailed me before the suppression and told me that the charging circuit was not powering the coil, but it was configured in the normal charging configuration.

Who knows, perhaps he was using Alsetalokins 'magic' rotor driver.

BTW, Tinsel Koala tells me I was wrong in my Analysis of the WhiPMag and that Babcat knows something about that. I didn't feel like chasing that one down, but if any of you wish to - there you go.

Cool


It could be a ploy of course, just to get people interested and building his circuit. A bit like Captain Cook and the sauerkraut.
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IHM+IHS+JMJ

When I look at it the self-running magnetic motor does remind me of the Vesica Pisces Gravity Motor.

He's got two equal coils. I've got two equal wheels. He switches electric energy from one wheel to the other. I switch mass energy from one wheel to another. He gets energy and repeats the cycle. I get energy and repeat the cycle (well mine is purely theoretical at this stage I have to admit. Embarassed )

Maybe ZEROPOINT132 (aka Zero) has seen the resemblance and that prompted his weird post to me.

That'd be a laugh - if we both developed the same idea in completely different fields. Laughing

I wonder if I'll get a visit from the MIB. Rolling Eyes

Edit: It has to be the same bloke. Too much of a coincidence otherwise.
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Sorry Bano, your last links seem off topic here - this is Axle's thread.

WRT to the schematics, you have the same that I have.

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The 'Magnet Reed Switch' and 3/4" dia. Sphere Neos have arrived!
So...here's my 'progress report'...

The concave mirror...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL4.jpg

I put together a simple circuit [powered by (2) AA batteries in series ~ 3 volts] that lights an LED when the reed switch closes. This 'first' arrangement proved to be 'no good'..very shaky and unstable.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL3.jpg
(These NEO spheres are VERY STRONG! I bought [2] of them from K&J
and can barely pull them apart from one another. I need to keep my Radio Shack 'breadboard' far enough away from the magnet or else it 'ends up' flying over and stuck to the breadboard base.)

The reed switch is small and fragile, so in order to be able to perform some 'meaningful/accurate' testing I soldered wires to the switch...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL5.jpg
..then inserted and glued it into rigid plastic tubing, and mounted it like this..
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL8.jpg

This is what it all looks like..as of today..
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL9.jpg

I'm still 'playing' around with it. The spinning 3/4" dia. NEO sphere DOES 'close' the reed switch twice per revolution, within a 'tight range and position'. But..I need to do more 'positional' testing of the switch 'around' the spinning magnet. The magnet 'moving around' the mirror when it's 'hand spun' is a bit tricky too. Working on it....

All for now..

Axle

[Edit..I'm not sure the 'particular reed switch' and 3/4" dia. NEO sphere, that I'm testing here, are 'the best' for this project..am thinking maybe a 1" dia. NEO is better...and maybe a 'smaller' reed switch. As of this post]

[Yes, Harvey Thanks. Mr. bano, I'm trying to keep 'focused' on this 'one project' at this time..I appreciate and enjoy many of your 'posts' but please 'keep on topic', somewhat, if you post here..Thanks]
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I did a side-by-side comparison.

'ZP132 mirror and sphere' vs. 'Axle mirror and sphere'
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/ZPAX1.jpg
ZP132 is using a 1 inch dia. magnet. [or something really close to 1 inch dia.]

Well, that explains why I've had so much trouble 'controlling' my hand spun 3/4 inch dia. NEOS. The 3/4 inch wander around the mirror an awful lot.

I've ordered a 1 inch dia. from K&J.

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SX0

The 1 inch dia. should [I think] make the 'reed switching' more stable, also.

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I did a side-by-side comparison.

'ZP132 mirror and sphere' vs. 'Axle mirror and sphere'
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/ZPAX1.jpg
ZP132 is using a 1 inch dia. magnet. [or something really close to 1 inch dia.]

Well, that explains why I've had so much trouble 'controlling' my hand spun 3/4 inch dia. NEOS. The 3/4 inch wander around the mirror an awful lot.

I've ordered a 1 inch dia. from K&J.

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SX0

The 1 inch dia. should [I think] make the 'reed switching' more stable, also.

Axle


Don't forget the 'magic' spray, it is probably just some "Pam" no stick vegatable cooking spray, to keep it from wandering so much. When you take away its traction is spins in place better. Wink
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I'm following this thread with great interest.

Well done, Axle. Keep it up.
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Harvey,

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Don't forget the 'magic' spray, it is probably just some "Pam" no stick vegatable cooking spray, to keep it from wandering so much. When you take away its traction is spins in place better.


Thanks Harvey!! Yes I spread a few drops of light oil on the mirror and the 3/4" Neo does 'settle down' into one spot MUCH better! It sounds better too. The dry hard magnet spinning on the dry hard mirror was a mini-grinder. Rolling Eyes

Axle

[Thank You Frank!!! for the kind words!!! Working on it!! Smile ]
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Progress report...

Allied Electronics [Allied Stock# 808-0004] magnet reed switch testing.
http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?SKU=8080004&MPN=HSR-069RT

Hand spinning the 1" NEO sphere, moving the reed switch into different positions and testing for the spinning magnet to 'close and open' the reed switch twice per revolution. Using my simple circuit that switches a red LED on and off.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL11.jpg

I purchaced two of the # 808-0004 switches. Have tested both of them,
and although they should be identical, the two react differently from one another.
One of them, I believe, is usable for this project and does toggle close-and-open when the magnet is spinning, within a tight range. The other one [mostly] just 'wants' to be in one state, closed or open, when near the magnet, regardless of whether the magnet is spinning or not.

Based on what I have tested so far, I WOULD NOT recommend the Allied Electronics Stk# 808-0004 reed switch for this project.

I have ordered a different type [Stk# 808-0001] and plan to do similar tests when they arrive.
http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?SKU=8080001&MPN=HSR-003DT
[I ordered 3 of them] They are smaller, and the Data Sheet indicates...
"Tens of millions in service", "Proven realiability", "20+ Year History in Medical Applications".
http://www.alliedelec.com/Images/Products/Datasheets/BM/HERMETIC_SWITCH_INC/808-0001.PDF
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I have not completely given-up on the #808-0004 reed switches. I'm thinking that since they are mechanical devices, maybe, they need to be 'worn-in' somewhat. I put together a motor with a revolving magnet that cycles the reed switch.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MAGBALL12.jpg
Will see if a few hundred thousand and more 'open-close' cycles changes it for the better in any
measureable way.

All for now, Axle


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hey Axle
He said it is the N42. 1in.
I think he possibly had a problem with someone on the first vids that were deleted. Pat infringement or other. Use of the battery and the new circuit is probably a safer move for him, being that the addition of the battery keeps the skeptics a bay and in disbelief.
The way I see it is...
After the reed pulses the primary to accelerate the sphere, the BEMF sent back to the battery through the diode, even with losses, there is still a good amount of the power "borrowed" sent back to the battery, with plenty of voltage to overcome the diodes .7 volt drop. Did we not produce a good magnetic pulse for a very good price? Could it be that the losses during BEMF recharge can be measured as less than the magnetic energy pulse produced? And the other coil only has to send back to the battery, what was spent. Sounds very freezable. Plus, his 3rd coil lighting the led, can also be sent to the battery.
Point being, we got a good pulse to drive the sphere at a very small price, the sphere gets more than enough kick to produce enough mechanical energy to drive the charge coils to regain what was actually spent (small amount) to kick the sphere.
Now insert a capacitor bank in parallel with the bat, and once it gets going, remove the battery and see if she keeps going. I say a bank of caps for a reason.
Soundstream, an audio amplifier company, used many small low esr caps in the power supply, instead of single large caps. They charge and discharge much quicker and efficiently than single large caps. This should be a big improvement over the battery discharge/recharge cycles due to the battery has losses either way in heat due to chemical reactions within and the internal resistance involved.
Infact, eliminate the bat and just spin the mag till the caps are charged and she should still go.
Hope that makes sense.
Im going to apply this circuit to a rotor this week. The rotor will have the same pole out all the way around. I can alternate poles, but I would most likely want to make a separate wheel of mags to activate the reed only when the proper pole for drive passes the drive coil. Same poles just make it easier.
Also Im going to use separate coils instead of bifi, as I think its not necessary.

In Z's setup, only one pole of the sphere is being driven to get it going, the other pole still activates the reed, but that pole creates opposition to the reed pulse thus the drag expected is minor compared to the drive pole. So I want to eliminate that cycle and things should be more efficient.
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Oh and by the way, I found some mosfet rectifier circuits that I will try after that have a virtually zero voltage drop which should make things even better, and also more original.
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Magthinkin!
If caps replace the battery, the voltages stored could get too high! A battery will tend to try and keep its normal voltage being charged in small amounts. But caps can go as high as its leakage allows. So a zener diode may have to be across the cap bank to keep the votages to desired level. Zeners are rated to conduct at a particular voltage.

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Mags,

I need to read over your last few post, a few times more, and 'digest them' for awhile.
Am thinking you are on the right 'track'!!!!!
[am in 'reed switch mode' as of tonight Cool ]

I see you asked ZP132 on YouTube...[my edit]
The positioning of the reed switch, can you show a drawing that shows the orientation of the sphere's poles to the coil when the reed is activated? Is the pole aiming directly at the coil at the time, or is it off-center a bit to kick it?

This is where I see the location of ZP's reed switches.

First, from the 'infringement' vid.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MB16.jpg

ZP's latest vid.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MB14.jpg
[This is the reed switch..for sure. It looks just like the ones I've been testing. The 'white dot' is a bright light reflection off of its glass cylinder encloser]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x165/Axle001/MB15.jpg

I have no problem with the positions of ZP's reed switches, based on my testing so far. Distance from the 1" NEO, and orientation are within the 'range' of what I've tested to be 'switchable' [open-close range].

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Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:29 am PostPost subject:
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Hey Axle
Yeah I see that. But which way is the ball spinning? Is it pulling on the ball or pushing?
If it is pulling a pole, that would be more efficient than pushing it. Pulsing an attractive pole I think would be easier than building a field that repels against a pole.
I just wanted more definitive info from him.

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Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:39 am PostPost subject:
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I started a long post getting into lenz's law, diode blocking of current and magnetic moments and as tired as I am right now, I think I got lost... Shocked

But real quick, the sphere doesn't really get pushed or pulled, it just gets torqued. Positive torque helps it spin, negative torque slows it down. A BEMF spike in the opposite direction will give it positive torque. Half of each cycle has no Lenz current because its blocked by the diodes. Only when the switch is closed, can AC flow. But then the battery counters some of that by taking a charge. Ok...I'm going to stop before I get lost again....zzzz.

Maybe later I can post an analysis.

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Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:59 am PostPost subject:
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Hey Harvey
I would think that the reed would do very good being activated while each pole of the magnet were equally at right angles to the coil center, thus push one pole and pull the other at the same time and not affecting sphere position. the reed would have to be one that is only affected by one pole, or the mag might just jiggle. But Z's reed is set to activate when one magnet pole is in the area of the coil. So only one of the poles holds majority push or pull affecting further rotation. In his first vids, the reed seemed to be above and between the coil and mag.
I know that the position of the reed is going to have to be played with to find the right spot for best efficiency for each setup.
When I was in middle school, I had a relay and a 9v batt in a small plastic box. the top and bottom had tinfoil on them and the relay was wired to buzz. The top foil was connected to one side of the coil and the bottom foil connected to the other side of the coil. I would hand it to everyone for a good bemf laugh. I hadnt thought of the possibility of trying to conserve that energy before.
If I were to set the relay for buzz with a 9v batt and let it go to see how long it would last, adding a diode could send that bemf back to the battery and the relay should buzz longer than before on the same amount of battery power. Am I getting more buzzing(work) done from the batt by adding the diode? If I am getting more work done with the diode in place, then there should be enough work being done to be able to replace what was taken from the battery. This is just ludicrous! I had always believed what I had been told that there is no advantage trying to harness bemf. Just to use a diode to short bemf out if it is a problem to the rest of the circuit, spikes and such.
Can a motor be built using these principals? Even if you only get more work done, with the inclusion of diodes, from the battery, would it turn long enough to run a generator to charge another battery? Or apply more charge than needed to the original battery? A lot of motors these days are getting close to 100% efficiency.
I am now seeing that there are too many to count, people out there working with this stuff. Is it possible many that are accomplished are being told to shut up?

Harvey, is there literally an army of people out there just waiting to suppress ideas?
I asked z in pm about what had happened to the first vids and no answer there, but he is still responding to the new stuff. And Wilbyinebriated from OU reposted one of the vids z deleted and I havt seen wilby since. Anywhere. YT or Ou. And he is usually all over. But since the post, nada. Its been a while. I even posted at ou as to if anyone had seen him and no answers. Is this something that is taboo? Do ou'ers know not to mess with the real deal? Or are they all running generators in secret?
Ok, now im rambling and tired.

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